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performance? VN? r u sure we're talking about the same car here? u can thrash em for about a week before they blow, u do relize the have i of the weaker if not weakest engine throught the whole commodore series?

Hay great to c another Vn... What do u mean that they are not worth doin up?
Anyway my mates keep on remindin me that its only a vn

Cheers Bro

lol at evltx5's car, mine will thrash urs anyday brother.. the VN motor isnt weak, it is fukin powerful, almost good enough to be a performance car bro!
da vn - sick cunt, well i duno to do it up or not, i keep changing my mind when i see body kits.. i was thinking of a clubsport body kit and then a new paint job, and fix up the interior just the appearance but i duno ...
and madsav wtf are u on about? i never mentioned my HP was 412 where did u get that from? i think and i wrote down my HP was only 168 but im not 100% sure. ur a idiot!
heheh

dude fuckin relax a lil (excuse the language) im mean mate ya car prolly wouldnt beat evl Ive dragged a few vn 's in my tx5 and alothough there powerful they weigh a shitload mate. and Im sure the other dude wasnt talkin bout your horsepower he was talking bout that playboy chic with the astina so relax just a tad would ya

hi, dude, nice to see another commodore here, dont listen to the shit some 'stereo type' ppl saying about VN commodores. truth is, the car will go as fast as ur POCKET allowed. u see, 'somebody' say they smoked some VN, but not every VN is the same.

u can build a drag machine that do 7-8second 1/4 mile if u have balls and money to do it, i believe that 'somebody' would not dare to challange that kind of machine .

the real question is, how much u liked the car? if u think of changing the car soon, then forget about modifying it, u are throwing ur money away.but on the other hand, if u planning to keep for quite a long time, then dude, go for it.

p.s. later model commodores are pretty much the same as vn, (vn-vs) except the IRS, i prefer standard rear (i even go back to VL diffs to fit 18x10 wheels),if u going for VT to VY, starting point would be more costly, but u get a nicer looking end product:P.

if u have limited budget. keep to what u have and start from there,

Plxcommodore, it's good to see young people getting into modifying and all, but drop the aattitude, and the swares...
I'm not saying all VN's are shitty, but unless you spend the money like hotsv1, your car isn't gonna win bathurst, or most street drags.
AS for the VN motor being weak, he's got some merrit with that, but that's only to do with the V6. It's an old Buick V6 design, from the 60's.
Also for the stock VN's this is there specs.

Year of Introduction: 1988
Engine: 3.8 litre EFI V6 ; 5.0 V8 EFI
Power: 125kW (V6) & 165kW (V8)
Transmission: 5 speed manual ; 4 speed Turbohydramatic ; 6 speed ZF manual (Group A)
Performance: 0 - 100 km/h 8.1 seconds (V6) 7.2 seconds (V8); Standing 400 metres 15.7 seconds (V6) 15.1 seconds (V8)
Production: 215,180
Price: $20,014
Wheels Car Of The Year 1989

Info from http://www.southgate.com.au/history.htm

So is it stock or Supercharged?? If it's supercharged, then it's not stock, as these motors never came in the VN's, and they're not "Plug 'N' Play" into older models either.

Yeah, I'm another one of those F**khead TX5 drivers....

Sabbai I really dont know what this guys on again he must be really whacked out but Im quite sure ive beaten stock vn's in my car...??? Havent you and Im also quite sure this guys all talk. I mean wow he can rip a mad burnout well praise the lord I mean really whats the big deal yeah vn's weren't bad cars and yeah there quickish but so what so's my lil tx5 and for some reason I reckon that when running 15psi and woo's mod chip my 180kw's is gonna shit all over his.....but hey maybe Im wrong.

You may be able to make 180kw's, but, people like to argue on forums, especially over numbers. Realisticly, you should be able to make between 140-185kw. AS you can tell, I'm very loose about exact numbers.

Yeah meant to tell ya too woo's chip is goin in next weekend I will contact you to let you know how it goes as soon as it happens. Once Ive done that Im gonna turn up the boost and get it dyno'd the following week I will then be able to provide proof for that statement (180kw's) or atleast 165kw's as woo says will be a minimum

shutup zorb u idiot , the Vns u raced were prolly not even racing , or they dont know how to drive
but my car can beat ur shit ford tx5 shit, there not that fast
and yeh mine is supercharged i got a new engine too
if u wana race, come down to parramatta and we will go hav a drag
tak it easyyyyyyyy

well dude if ya car is supercharged then its not bloody well stock is it maybe you need to update your profile mate! Dude ive raced vn's and beaten them mates of mine have raced vn's in their nissan pulsars have beaten them and ive raced one in a bloody hyudai excel my gf has and nearly beaten it. and mate tx5's arent that fast standard but mines not standard and ill admit that rather than goin around like sum1 else and saying my cars standard even though it has a new engine and is supercharged.

dude i think we should race man

My god! are you kids in Primary school? lets keep the senseless natter to ourselves... if you guys wanna race or talk crap.... use pm!!!

Hey fake XU not disrescpectin u or nuthin but we are talkin in his profile wats the big difference between that and pm?? Were talkin bout his cars and ours whats the big deal and if its his profile Im sure it shouldnt be a problem or is it??

Yeah, there are a few 'car profile comments' within your posts, but mostly there is no constructive criticism towards current mods and no real need to bring random cars that may or may not have beaten any number of random Commodores, none of which are releveant to this car profile...

That's all, you guys may want to rephrase your posts to become more relevant. so that other people interessted in reading the comments don't have to wade you careless banter! No-one cares if either of you think you can drag each other!.. again conduct your arguements over pm if at all!

lol u nerd

But dude alot or people do care were comparing cars here its looking at mods and performance and alot of stuff. As u may or may not know for a young guy buying a car it is important to know if your car has better performance than sum1 elses and what all the problems are and who can beat who for a lot of us that are buying a fast new car all this stuff is relevant and useful

Fair enough, then keep it on topic....

As you know all cars are different, so just because you beat 1 VN doesn't mean you can beat them all or vice versa.... so let's not generalise the issue.....

yeah I know that 100% mate all im saying it a tx5 with a few mods is quicker than a standard VN Thats all. Im also happy to say turbo cars arent for everyone and having a vn is alot cheaper and ya probably getting better value for money (as parts are usually cheap). but hey I like my turbo cars and a hi-flowed tx5 turbo running 12-15psi with exhaust and chip is pretty quick. Im sure you'd agree

13 Second Quarter!!!
This I would like to see and with a 7.7 0-100kmh time it must really produce some mumbo in higher speeds as. To do a 13 second pass it would have to be doing over 160kmh. I would say go out on the open raod and time your car and come back and tell us how long it took to reach 100mph(160kmh). This must be about the best use of 168 horses I have heard of and in a heavy car as well. This has got to be a joke or you should front up with some evidence of either whats under the bonnet or a timeslip. Its cases like this that knock the truthful ones out of the rankings.

zorb_rules you clearly have a different view on cars to me

you talk about a modded TX5 beating a VN. Wow a modded Hyundai (like the one at summernats, twin supercharged V8) will beat a stock VN too, what are you trying to prove?

go to the streetcommodores sight and look at the turboed VN, it runs 11 seconds, which proves that quite clearly that your car with a few mods is slow vs a VN with a few mods.

PLX us right, VN's are fast stock, unlike your small engined "turboed" car which is not.

so what if you car is quick, his VN would be quicker with the same mods.

bottom line is, i like plx's car, i have a VN too and i like his car.

your small engined off the topic car, i dont like, too small (in every way, other than price)

dont take it personally it just annoys me when people think they have the best car in the world when clearly you dont.

dont take offense, im purely sharing my feelings with zorb.

awesome PLX, its gonna be a sad day when you sell it eventually.

few mods *lol* my few mods cost me 1000bucks in total his probably cost him closer to 10,000 with 10,000 bucks with of mods my car of just about any car for that matter would still most likely shit over a vncause there so heavy. MY small engined turbo car stock still ahs more power than your vn stock...your just another vn person me and plx sorted this shit out a long time ago. grow up and get a life. and price my car cost 6,000 ya can buy a half decent vn for 4,000..and ill shwo you a number of sites to prove it if need be...but look i dont care.....go annoy someone else please

ohh and I clearly dont have the best car in the world if I clearly ahd the best car in the world they'd be a lil badge on my car saying best car in the world fuck you's all.....I wish I ahd the best car I dont have its quick for what it is as its SABBAIS and a few other on here and it gives peopel like you a real fright when ya pull up next to us revving the shit outta ya car and we end up being faster than you but hey IM over it...(im not gonna genralise here but ya just another young vn driver who thinks there car stands out above all others)....

how much power does your car have stock?

when i last took on a tx5 he got nowhere near me after 100, hmm.... im interesred to see the power figures.

did u take on a stock tx5 and in ghia or whatever or did you take on a tx5 turbo?? Stock the tx5 cvame with approx 110kw's the vn's came with approx 120 no comapring weight and power to weight and what not the telstar works out to be quicker I belive in most cases....

but look you may wll have. you have have whoopped his ass...and to be entirely honest I dont give a shit.

oh and one last thing my mate has a vn commodore its computer chipped, have fulle xhaust with extractors,pod filter and a few other bits and pieces it was dyno'd and he got 115kw's atw he ahd an awesoem car it was quick but when we drgaeed and stuffed around we were pretty even. which judging by SABBAI's and a few toher guys dyno runs on here with tx5's soudn about right as they were getting between 110 and 130kw's atws

P>S this dude rpobably got nowhere near u after 100 beacuse he didnt want to geta fine and lose his license for being a dick which obviously you did..i drga but only up to the speed limit of a couple of k's over and I abck off once ive proved what i needed to..

im sure it was turbo. it had turbo written on the back in red under where the boot meets (i saw it as i pulled up to the lights), it also had a rice off valve.

having said that (and im not having a go here, so dont get angry) a bigger engine does make a difference at high speeds so regardless the higher we got the more i wouldve closed him down (if he hadve kept up)

to be honest i did see that sticker but it may not have been turbo, just because it looked fairly riced up, which meant it couldve been a fake blow off valve, but i doubt it


i went to have a look for some power figures and youll be impressed to know that if you search for "tx5 turbo" on google yours is the first one that comes up

your car isnt too bad for what it is, but personally i enjoy the comfort and reliability of my Holden.

hey as you said its what you like, i just dont think you should knock the VN, cause they are good fast and cheap (although you did admit that)

also just a side note on some prices you threw around then.

you spend 6 grand on a telstar tx5 turbo. i spend 3200 on a VN (how much mine cost) if then put the remaining 2800 in to the VN it will beat your stock tx5 turbo. now tell me which is the better option?


final point you spent way moree than a grand on mods, lying makes baby jesus cry, dont be embarrased we all do it.

he got no where near me because i beat him, cause when i stopped dragging (at 115) he did a loser fly by.

OKay now look at this ive spent 6grand on my telstar how much was on appaerance how much was on mods taht enhance power..aporx 4,500 on apperance shit approx 1,500 on performance shit they only things taht really help to increase power on my car are the boost controller, the exhaust and the turbo rebuild..there mods actually the turbo rebuild isnt the hi flowing eis so Ill reduce that number to say mmm let me see the cost of the hi flow 200bucks the cost of the boost controller approx 120 and the exhuast 7-800 which equals my magic 1000dollars number ohh holy hell im right.

and honestly if you threw 2500 into a vn ya wouldnt get taht much look at soem of the prices goin around here you'd rpobbaly get a set of extractors, full exhuast including hi flow cat and maybe a chip...you'd still eb approx even with me as I said above my mate ahs spent well over that closer to 6granbd all on eprformance crap and its still even with me...ohh and top speed shits is bull crap when do you use top speed? not even on a race track does a car usually reach its top spped the straights arent long enough, drag strips aren't long enough and on a road if ay reaching top speed 200+ your a fuckin idiot...this is where a bigger engine means more power I mean unless ya doing say 150k's+ ya probably wouldnt begin to catch up (rough estimate of course)......

and honestly if you threw 2500 into a vn ya wouldnt get taht much look at soem of the prices goin around here you'd rpobbaly get a set of extractors, full exhuast including hi flow cat and maybe a chip...you'd still eb approx even with me as I said above my mate ahs spent well over that closer to 6granbd all on eprformance crap and its still even with me...ohh and top speed shits is bull crap when do you use top speed? not even on a race track does a car usually reach its top spped the straights arent long enough, drag strips aren't long enough and on a road if ay reaching top speed 200+ your a fuckin idiot...this is where a bigger engine means more power I mean unless ya doing say 150k's+ ya probably wouldnt begin to catch up (rough estimate of course)......

oh ok i thought you meant that your car (alone) cost six grand.

"price my car cost 6,000 ya can buy a half decent vn for 4,000" that was the quote, sorry there was a misunderstanding there, i apologise for that. i just had a look at some pics of your car, hey its the best one ive seen before.

your dads car is alright too


anyway i can see this argument is going nowhere, im just surprised that after all that your pulling 110-130 kW at the wheels. if i put some roller rockers and a full exhaust system, i wonder how close to that id be ( im not saying id be close, but that would be interesting)

sorry I meant I spent 6 grands on the car but included in thsi price so minus off any cost you may think was : a full year of rego (its was paid the day before I got the car), a HKS turbo timer approx 200 at the time, A full stereo including PAnasonic Headunit, 2 amps, and PIoneer 6x9's and Splits. So since then I ahve spent a further spprox 5 grand modding it...so take off al the extra shit I paid for and we'll say the car's worht say 5 grand alone by itself a vn cost 4 u say spenidng a grand on a vn would get you an exhaust not much else. the cars woudls till be relatively even given the fact that and exhaust rpovides roughly and extra 4-8kw's of power (one again approx.) 110-130kw's is not what im pullign I would suggest im getting soemthing near sabs figure of 110ish. After we'll even say to be conservative spending 1500 on actual performance mods. How much would those mods you listed cost to put on??? and yes ya may well be close

my dads cars awesome I love the v8 and with 220kws ya cant go wrong...he used to have an xr6 turbo so im hetehr from the turbo to the v8 is an upgrade or dwongrade....

and look mate vns' are great cars fopr what they were originally designed for (being a family car). ive got no problem with them and they go relatively quick with a few mdos good luck with yours. and if ya ever in MElb. i'd be happy to catch up with ay and show ya my car.

is that fwkw or rwkw?

as for pricing, roller rockers cost $500. roughly 1000 (probably just over if i go for a Lukey/Pacie setup) so yeah it would be decent.

i have to say that im surprised your friend isnt pulling more than that, having said that Dyno's dont lie.

so what are you planning for your car?

oh yeah btw, i might in Melb around December, so you can show me your car. however ill be comin down in my friends car most probably (vn SS supercharged) so you can have a look at a better version of my car

oh yeah also i heard the xr6 turbos are quicker than the xr8's if you make a comp chip change.

anyway cya around, i had fun arguing with you

Yeah u too *lol* fwkw's I believe for sabbai's ya ahve to remmber thers a close to 20kws drop between engine kw's and wheel kw's on the dyno and stuff...planned for my car are a t3 turbo, big FMIC, aftermarket ecu and slotted rotors.

my mates car had that ive seen the figures it was a beast of a vn too...

but eyah whats your plans.